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You can have the X-Gene, at the same time you also have Kree DNA, so this makes you a Mutant and Inhuman at the same time.
Is this possible tho? I think it is possible...
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Shouldn’t the Gifted tv series be on here with it’s characters?
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Strongest (the one that can handle damage most)
Most likely to beat Thanos:
Avengers:Scarlet Witch & Thor
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• Let us begin the second instalment of Continuity Notes with an enigma of Professor Charles Xavier. In the first X-Men film, the Professor states that he met Erik Lehnsherr when he was 17 years old. Seeing as we know that young Charles was born in 1932, this meeting would theoretically occur in 1949. However, in X-Men: First Class, this meeting occurs in 1962 - when Charles was 30! You could go down the route of saying that the two met earlier, but this is obviously their first meeting. Seeing as Professor X is so intellectual, I would find it hard to believe he could misremember this detail. Therefore, Xavier should have just said “30” in the original X-Men for continuity.
• Also in the first X-Men movie, Charles acts confused when he cannot reach Magneto’s mind with Cerebro, despite Erik using the helmet in X-Men: First Class. Although, it seems that later iterations of the helmet were more resistant than earlier. What I mean is that with Sebastian Shaw’s helmet, telepaths could still locate the individual, whereas Magneto’s later helmets were able to hide from Charles’ searches with Cerebro. Magneto also lined his bases with this resistant substance, hence why Charles could not locate any of Magneto’s Brotherhood of Mutants, instead of just not considering looking for them.
• The X-Mansion changes between films. The differences are in the roofing: where later there are sloped tiles, earlier in X-Men: First Class, there are more castle-like spires. It seems that later, the mansion was made more homely and was expanded to fit in more dormitories for students by making the top floor more usable for living space.
• Another odd memory of Charles’ is that he and Erik built Cerebro, when in X-Men: First Class, it was built by Hank McCoy. However, we see in the revised timeline that Magneto helped to rebuild a later version of the machine. This may be the case in the original timeline, as the pair’s working relationship was restored by 1986. So, Magneto could have at least helped in the manufacturing of a later version of Cerebro. Alternatively, Erik could have even moved and improved the original Cerebro to inside the X-Mansion. An after thought: how was it that Magneto was able to work again with Charles after their misunderstanding in the 1960s? Well, if he was able to prove his innocence with the curved bullet incident, then Charles may respect him more, as he did in the revised timeline. They could have then worked together at the school, until Magneto reformed his Brotherhood of Mutants to combat governmental anti-mutant ideas.
• A more striking mistake in the continuity would be the Professor’s inconsistent mobility. In cameos and flashbacks in both X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, he can walk in 1979 and 1986, when he was paralysed by a stray bullet in 1962. Even though X-Men: Days if Future Past appeared to solve the issue with a serum developed by Beast, Charles either could walk or use his telepathy - both of which he could do in both of the flashbacks. In my opinion, Xavier should have been in a wheelchair in both appearances. Even though Beast created a cure, he was surprised by Leech’s abilities in 2006. This was hardly surprising, as it changed his appearance with proximity instead of injection. Beast was only baffled that the government would go ahead with distributing the cure, that he thought could not possibly work permanently (which ended up being true).
• On a similar topic, the First Class do not seem to age at all between X-Men: First Class in 1962 and X-Men: Apocalypse in 1983. If someone is born before the timeline deviation, they should be born in the same year and also age at the same rate. Charles was 12 when portrayed as a child in 1944, he was 30 in X-Men: First Class, 41 in X-Men: Days of Future Past, 47 in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, 51 in X-Men: Apocalypse, 54 in the X-Men: The Last Stand’s flashback, 60 in X-Men: Dark Phoenix, 71 in X-Men and X2: X-Men United, 74 in X-Men: The Last Stand, 86 in Deadpool 2, 91 in the revised 2023 in X-Men: Days of Future Past and 97 in Logan. In the post-credits scene of The Wolverine and the original 2023 of X-Men: Days of Future Past, he was in the body of P. Xavier, who may have aged differently in his coma and looked slightly younger. I believe that there was valid ageing between 1962 and 1973, and X-Men: Apocalypse’s bald Xavier was close to the de-aged Stewart in flashbacks, however X-Men: Dark Phoenix could have gradually moved MacAvoy’s appearance closer to Stewart’s. I do also think that 1983’s Xavier could also be a bit closer to Stewart’s Professor. The flashbacks should also have a similar appearance to MacAvoy. However, the cameo in Deadpool 2 should be Stewart’s Xavier without debate. A thought about the twin P. Xavier though: why was he still in a wheelchair? Well, seeing as he is identical in genetics, both would have abilities and being in a coma for so long may restrict his mobility. Although, where was this twin all this time? Did he also use his abilities? This we do not know. The fact that Charles was able to control his abilities early in his life (12 years old at oldest), he may have been able to protect his twin from his abilities and he lived an ordinary life, until he entered a coma. He may have died in the revised timeline by a later date and Charles would never need his body, as the Dark Phoenix event already occurred without incurring his demise.
• The relationship between Mystique and Charles seems to have disappeared between X-Men: First Class and X-Men. After so many decades of not seeing each other, it is hardly surprising that she lost feelings for the Professor. She was happy to tamper with Cerebro and she never so much as sees Charles in sequels. The relationship was mentioned in X-Men: Days of Future Past’s original future, so Charles at least remembered Raven.
• The school seemed to be renamed to Jean Grey School after X-Men: Dark Phoenix by Deadpool. This may be because Jean returned and the touching tribute was no longer necessary. As for why it was not renamed in the original timeline after her death, Charles had also died in the incident, so it was still fitting that the school continued to sport his name.
• Did the X-Men fight the D’Bari in the original timeline? If so, why is it not mentioned? Well, it seems they would not have, as the X-Men were not public heroes in 1992. The alternate timeline could also have caused this event to go differently and the space mission went differently. In any case, Jean is not possessed by the Phoenix Force and and D’Bari would continue to track it.
• In X-Men: Apocalypse, Charles saga that Jean’s mind is the most powerful he has ever encountered. Whereas Stryker states that Professor X is the most powerful telepath. As Stryker may not even be aware of Jean’s powers, these conflicting statements are hardly surprising.
• Another thing from the first X-Men movie, Charles says that Phoenix, Cyclops and Storm were his first students. We know that they weren’t from X-Men: First Class. What he may have meant is that they are the first students he had the pleasure to teach... that are still at the school. Also, the origins of this trio and their ages are debatable. In X-Men: First Class, some suppose that a few Mutants looked like Storm and Cyclops . They are definitely not the right ages and Storm was not even born! So they are not their younger selves. Also in 1986’s flashback with Magneto and Jean, Jean should have been an adult. This should really have been done right. I suggest an adult Jean in this scene, maybe undiscovered in this timeline did to her not killing her parents.
Join us next time when we try and figure out just how many helmets Magneto made and/or stole!
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I've always thought of the following movies and TV shows as one big Marvel universe. I call it the 2000's Marvel Universe.
X-Men 2: X-Men United
X-Men: The Last Stand
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men: First Class
X-Men: Days Of Future Past
Fantastic Four (2005)
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Ghost Rider (2007)
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
The Punisher (2004)
Punisher: War Zone
Man-Thing (that really terrible movie that nobody knows exists. Look it up)
No Good Deed
Dirty Laundry (a short SDCC film about the Punisher)
Every movie besides the newer X-Men movies take place before the Sentinel War depicted in X-Men: Days of Future Past. You may be asking, "If the mutants are such a big part of the X-Men franchise, why are they never mentioned in these other movies?" My answer to that is that they just don't show them being mentioned. I think that the general public assumes Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four, who are popular heroes in this universe, are mutants. Superheroes like Daredevil, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Blade, and Punisher, operate on the down low, so not a lot of people would know about them. And the X-Men also kind of operate on the down low, until the revised timeline. I think all of the other heroes, besides the X-Men, died fighting the Sentinels, and when the X-Men reset the timeline, they would all either come back to life or not exist at all. I'll leave that decision to you guys. If their are any errors or continuity problems I missed, please let me know. I just joined and I'm so glad I can finally talk to people about this!
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I'm not going to lie. Despite being so much cooler if we could just have more movies, we know that likely won't happen, as we all know, the X-Men will be adapted for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and the franchise will be expected to be over with The New Mutants (unless a third Deadpool movie comes along, and even so, we don't know what cinematic universe will it be a part of).
However, the enticing possibility of continuing and expanding the storylines estabilished in the Fox's X-Men movie universe into comics would be a very cool idea, continuing the stories outside of the MCU, and exploring more the universe of this movie franchise with a much less restricted tone, exploring past, present and future. Again, I also don't think its accurate to expect this, because: 1. there aren't any confirmed plans for that yet; 2. likely Marvel won't allow it. At the end of the day, if that could actually happen, it would be marvelous (no pun intended), in my opinion.
Hello everybody! This will be the start of a series of continuity discussions that concern the timeline and other movie mistakes in this series. Some will be easily explained, some will be simple filming goofs and others are legitimate continuity errors that would require changes to the film's theatrical cut to fix. I hope we all learn something from this! Now, allow me to begin with the most mercurial of the X-Men, Logan himself: the Wolverine!
• In the original 2000 X-Men film, Magneto holds Logan in place in mid-air with his adamantium skeleton on a train and begins to pry the claws apart. If you look close enough, you can see the screws used in the claws' practical effects. A simple film goof that could be fixed with a little bit of tender loving C.G.I. care.
• In the first two X-Men films, Wolverine's healing factor is slightly inconsistent. He bleeds out for longer than following films and can be knocked out easily. What's more is that in X2: X-Men United, a bullet is able to bury itself in Logan's forehead and knock him unconscious. In these instances, the real time it takes to recover may be obscured by the movies' pacing. Another thing to consider about the bullet in Logan's head is that it still sticks out of his skin, suggesting that it was stopped by the adamantium. I'm this inatance, it may take longer to remove the bullet because there is less muscle here to remove it, whereas other locations have tended to heal quicker and pop bullets out - especially his highly muscled chest.
• Another simple film goof to note is that the scars Wolverine left on Mystique change their arrangement between the first two films. In X-Men (2000) Logan stabbed Raven with his claws horizontally, whereas in X2: X-Men United (2003) the scars are seen arranged vertically. Mystique can change form, but the retained scars were a plot point and could have been fixed with different practical effects. It also seems slightly inconsistent that Mystique could trick Logan here in these two scenes, when he could sense that she was impersonating Storm in X-Men. However here, Logan's guard was down more, so it makes sense.
• Yet another early X-Men trilogy practical effects goof is that the wounds in Wolverine's chest heal in the attack on the campsite in X-Men: The Last Stand, with the next shot showing his signature white vest repaired as well. An honest mistake.
• Everyone's aging is a tad inconsistent across the films, even though Wolverine has an extended lifespan! Jackman's first 4 films were all portrayed consistently, with Logan appearing as a child in a flaskback. He then also appears slightly grizzled after a few years in the wild in The Wolverine, 7 years after X-Men: The Last Stand. He then appeared looking the same in 1962, 1973 and 1983 in the Beginnings Trilogy, when he should have looked just as young as earlier films. Then in 2023 and 2029, his hair began to grey. We find out in Logan that his regular aging at this stage is due to his healing factor waning, leading to adamantium poisoning, in theory leading to less ability to heal, causing more poisoning and so on. In effect, this accelerates his aging. It is also worth noting that X-24 should have looked much younger, even though a slightly younger Logan was emulated. A touch of make-up or a tad of C.G.I. de-aging could have complemented consistency here.
• In X-Men: Days of Future Past, Wolverine has his metal clear back in the future after losing them to the Silver Samurai in The Wolverine. This could have been done in theory by Magneto, recoating the claws with excess metal from elsewhere in his body. We have seen this level of metal manipulation before, in Magneto's prison break scene in X2: X-Men United when he bent metal both into balls and a flat disc to stand on. In order not to confuse audiences, it might be argued it would be for the best to edit the theatrical release of the film for consistency, however the metal claws were made a plot point when Logan was surprised by his bone claws in 1973. Therefore I conclude it would be best to keep the 2023 claws metal in the canon and not dispute the likelihood of this.
• Okay, the end of Days of Future Past has been confusing. You could explain this away with saying that Wolverine was released by Mystique, but ended up on the Weapon X program anyway, however an alternate version of this scene only showed Stryker from behind, without showing yellow eyes. This is down to audience understanding and is not impossible either way, but it seems that the film crew had the alternate ending in their head-canon, so it may have been for the best if it was kept in the final cut.
• Wolverine and Sabretooth's relationship has been vexing at times, seeing as neither remembered the other in their meetings in X-Men, however both have a canonical memory loss event. Wolverine was shot in the head with a clean adamantium bullet so that Stryker could seemingly attempt to recapture an immobilized Logan, whereas the bullet in Logan that killed X-24 clearly had a rougher edge, that would literally blow his brains out. Sabretooth on the other hand was experimented on by Stryker between X-Men Origins: Wolverine and X-Men and it is stated in the tie-in comic X2: X-Men United: The Movie Prequel: Wolverine that he doesn't remember his past. I will refrain from mentioning tie-in media, because if they cause a continuity error, that is their own problem. I will cover them at a later date to assess their continuity. But still, Sabretooth took Logan's dog tags in X-Men, perhaps because he retained fragments of his memories. All in all, this still works.
• It seems that in early 1973, Logan did not accompany Victor to Vietnam. This may be because he was taking a break, however when you realise that he was working for a gang to protect a woman that he slept with "many times", it seems that he was prevented from going off to war by his relationship with the woman, or by entanglement with the gang. An interesting sidenote is that Team X was seemingly formed in the original timeline to replace the mutant soldiers Stryker lost to Mystique in both timelines.
• The timeline that the film Logan (2017) takes place in has been disputed, but it seems that it takes place in the main revised timeline, seemingly working in all the branching timelines that Deadpool 2 (2018) created. Even so, there are nods to the original X-Men films. Logan possesses the samurai sword he received in The Wolverine (2013). Perhaps he was still associated with the X-Men in 2013, having not killed Jean, when he left for Japan to see Ichirō Yashida - who he saved before any timelines diverted. The presence of the X-Men my have caused Logan to not lose his claws, take the sword and bring the alternate Yukio back to the X-mansion before Deadpool 2. Logan also still has his dog tags here, but an action figure of 2003 era Sabretooth was possessed by Bobby, hinting that he still underwent the transformation and the events of X-Men (2000) occurred, albeit with Mystique dead (the scenes with Ink hint that he could replace her in the Brotherhood). This is hinted at with Charles recalling New York and him as a cage fighter, which would have only happened in the original timeline of this theory is not true. I know he looked inside the minds of people from the original timeline in X-Men: Days of Future Past, but he himself did not do these things and I doubt he saw all of those details in their heads. Also, concerning the comic books, Wolverine appears wearing his comic book costume. The deleted scene from The Wolverine seems to be canon, so maybe he wore it for a short time before salvaging it into his X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) suit, seeing as that costume had yellow highlighting on the arms and reminded me a lot of the aesthetic, but darker. In the revised timeline, it is possible a similar situation occurred (as with the whole of The Wolverine), but he wore it much more publicly. Logan mentions the person who wrote the comics wore "a f***ing leotard" , so I think Cyclops was undermining Logan's hate for the suit.
• The Essex Corporation Easter egg in the post credits scene of X-Men: Apocalypse may seem to be pointless and retconned, but it still links to other films. The blood sample was later used by Alkali-Transigen and some theories that the cryptic governmental company that Ajax ran in Deadpool were using drops of Wolverine’s blood in their serum that they injected Wade Wilson with. Perhaps that company was Essex Corp. (we know that the orphanage in Deadpool 2 had the same name, so maybe they are rooted deeply into mutant experimentation). A side note concerning Deadpool - I will go into greater detail with this on Deadpool’s entry, but my theory is that in the original timeline, Cable still went back for some reason (maybe Russell still killed his family or maybe he tried to avert the Sentinel War) but Wade decided he did not want to live in this timeline anymore (where he was born in 1975, as with revised Wade Wilson, but a mutant) and decided he would go back in time himself to fight alongside Wolverine. I also think that in the revised timeline, Wade didn’t the same in the post credits of Deadpool 2. He was then captured and experimented upon. In the timeline he created, Wade is still born a few years later and travels back himself, only this time to find Weapon XI fighting Logan. Thus, Deadpool would still be able to find this fight in the same timeline as him.
• Wolverine’s memories seem a tiny bit inconsistent at first glance, but all can be explained. Logan still has fragments of his former life, hence why he has nightmares about Kayla and his experience in Japan, where he must have transferred to the Western Front. It is unclear after he was fished out of the river in X-Men: Days of Future Past which memories he retained, but in any case he lost them shortly after. In the revised timeline, he does not get shot in the brain, but his memories are still tampered with by the Weapon X program. Jean gives him his name, leading to a similar situation to the first X-Men film. However, due to the nature of Kitty Pryde’s abilities, Logan got his memories back from the original timeline on the corresponding day that he left, causing him some confusion.
I hope you enjoyed this! Do not worry, they will get shorter as I have started with the most major characters. Next time, it will be the turn of Professor Charles Xavier, as we get this man a wheelchair in his flashbacks!
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