I am so happy she is back!!!!
I am so happy she is back!!!!
69.143.210.246 wrote: i wonder if she will come back as the phoenix
Of course she will. She's well-known as the Phoenix. But the question should really be: Will she be able to control the powers of the Phoenix?
Thanks to the mind-meld both Xaviers shared in Days of future past,young Charles knew that placing mind bariers on Jean would cause Phoenix to develop as separate personality,so in the new future,none were placed,alowing Jean to bond with Phoenix,fully acepting and unleashing in Apocalypse.
Yeah, and by the end of DoFP, she seems well off when Wolverine awakens to the new future.
Well, based on his constant comments about her powers in the third film, it looks like that the Phoenix would exist anyway, as he keeps saying that her powers would control her. I assumed that this means the Phoenix would always exist but would be one with Jean, while the barriers he placed merely served to drive them apart even more. I just assume that she is well in the end of DoFP because the barriers only started to break due to Cerebro's use, and this events never happened in the revised timeline, so the Phoenix never broke free... Or, I don't know, maybe the Phoenix awakened and the threat was gone so Jean was well... DoFP happened in 1973 and in 2023. This is 50 years apart. Many things could have happened
In Apocalypse, there was likely no use for barriers because what younger Charles saw in Wolverine's mind was only what Wolverine had experienced; he needed to connect with his older self in order to know what had happened and how to avoid it a second time. He didn't hold her back like last time.
And choose to allow her to have her full powers. In TFS prologue, when he and Erik visit Jean, he says about how her powers would control her. Later, when they rescue Jean and he is with Logan in the room with Jean resting, he refers to his choice of creating the barriers and the results as "choosing the lesser of evils", which I take as meaning the Phoenix would always exist and that he only choose to imprison it, and that the dissociative personality disorder caused by it was only because the barriers were separating the two. Also, in Apocalypse, before Jean uses the Phoenix Force, Charles begs her to let go and unleash her power, which implies that she needed to make use of it consciously, which is further supported by the fiery aura around her. If she needed to use it consciously, this means that she had not yet the full power because, if she had, using it at the full strength would be something natural. That would be no need to control its use. Also, if she could always use it, it would be extremely easier for her to merely disintegrate Apocalypse when he arrived, instead of waiting for all other people to be defeated before she used the Phoenix. Also, Charles only saw glimpses of the future, not the entirety of what would happen in the next fifty years. I think he did the very same thing and still imprisoned the Phoenix with the barriers, just that, in the new timeline, things went by a different way. In the original one, the Phoenix broke free by accident. This time, Jean released it herself. We have forty years between the events of Apocalypse and the epilogue of DoFP. Many things could have happened. The Phoenix and Jean could be merged into one being, as she released it so it could have prevented the dissociative personality disorder. The events of the Dark Phoenix could have happened in a different way, and this time she survived as herself, or she could have died and then ressurrected due to the Phoenix Force's immortal nature. That are many possibilities, but I personally think the clues point out that Charles still created the barriers, just that now things went in a different direction
Her mutation extended to her subconscious mind, which is what likely resulted in her being a Class 5 mutation with no limit to her abilities. This is also what likely made her stronger than Apocalypse, who was likely a Class 5 through artificial means, so he obtained greater powers.
What bothers me the most with Apocalypse is that he has high-tech stuff millennia ago in Ancient Egypt and no one seems to note how weird is this. I really hope they explain the alien technology in the future, but I don't think he has his power artificially, just that he enhanced them later
And, yes, her mutation is in her subconscious too. This is why she has that precognitive visions and the Dark Phoenix is able to destroy things when angry or confused. It's subconscious, she does not need to be fully aware of her powers being used in order to use them. No one is doubting that. I said the barriers were made because she needed to use her powers with full awareness. If they were subconscious on her, using them would be easy because their full mighty would come with her simple need. That would be no need to unlock them first
Enriant wrote: What bothers me the most with Apocalypse is that he has high-tech stuff millennia ago in Ancient Egypt and no one seems to note how weird is this. I really hope they explain the alien technology in the future, but I don't think he has his power artificially, just that he enhanced them later
And, yes, her mutation is in her subconscious too. This is why she has that precognitive visions and the Dark Phoenix is able to destroy things when angry or confused. It's subconscious, she does not need to be fully aware of her powers being used in order to use them. No one is doubting that. I said the barriers were made because she needed to use her powers with full awareness. If they were subconscious on her, using them would be easy because their full mighty would come with her simple need. That would be no need to unlock them first
Maybe they'll go into details in the Blu-ray special features. If not, then I'll say that the technological advances back in Apocalypse's past were the result of his advancing power and his keeping mankind in check to evolve his way. And if they're not his advances, then we are dealing with aliens.
This is the point. If he would keep mankind to evolve in his way, then that would be a great display of advanced technology in the civilizations he built. That wasn't. He was the only one displaying high tech, and all other things are just as they were in the ancient civilizations. If he could make men develop technology like that, they would keep that technology, because they only betrayed him, but would still keep the advances made. Then, our world would be infinitely more evolved. It's not what happened
I really hope they explain this in the Blu-Ray version, because otherwise, putting the Shi'ar inside the show would be easy, considering his words to Jean Grey and the Shi'ar involvement with the Dark Phoenix Saga, they would not have difficult in saying something like "The Shi'ar gave Apocalypse the technology and taught him about the Phoenix God they worshipped, so he always searched for it". It would be not much of a retcon because his true intentions are a little blurred in the movie (Sometimes I thought he wanted more power, in the other times I believed he was trying to do a world of mutants, and in some I was sure he just wanted to rule the world of humans and mutants altogether). Saying that he was gaining power in order to became a sort of host to the Phoenix Force