Yes, but that's exactly my point. Why do they only seem to care about the Canadian border? They didn't care about the US / Mexico border. They had no issue travelling through states butchering people on the way. They had absolutely no regard for the law when it came to human cloning (Gabriella even mentions it was illegal). It just seems really weird that they are happy to break the law through cloning, kidnapping, and murdering all through the US and Mexico, but Canada is somehow off-limits. Like, I couldn't really imagine a scenario where the kids cross the border and are then able to stand on the other side and just directly taunt Pierce and the Reavers, who are now helpless to do anything about it.
Yeah, I figure surely New Mutants has to be in 2029+, given the whole premise of Logan is that they're the first "new" mutants in 25 years. And an Alpha Flight movie would have to be around that time as well, otherwise, what exactly where the kids running to in Canada? It's not like the Reavers really cared about laws or boundries. They were chasing them over two countries, murdering anyone in their way. I somehow doubt they'd be stopped by the Canadian border. Hopefully we see the Hudsons, and there's some acknowledgement to the Hudsons from Origins. Like maybe Guardian has the leather jacket that originally belonged to what would be his father. The jacket that was given to Logan in the original timeline, but I don't see how it could have been in the new one, unless he still ended up with the old Hudsons after Apocalypse.
Maybe the Exiles can actually fix the damn continuity for us. Devote an entire movie to explaining the continuity issues. "Oh hey, let's go get this baby named Wade Wilson from the 60s and swap him with this baby named Warren Worthington III from the 90s." "...why?" "...for fun?"
4) Yeah, it's more just the fact that I need to justify to myself how this has happened, and making him 45 works really, really well for that.
5) I don't think it bothered too many people, it was just something I found interesting based on that conversation between Caliban and Pierce.
6) Psylocke is just a codename, though. I mean, there's been what, six or seven Captain Americas running around the 616 Universe over time? Two Human Torches, two Wolverines, two Star Lords, three Venoms, plus how many Spider-Man / Scarlet Spider / Iron Spiders running around, etc, etc. I got sidetracked there, but my point is it doesn't necessarily have to be the same person. Different power set, different ages. If it's definitely Betsy, then it must be through mind swap into a younger body.
7) It would be awesome to have Emma back, but I don't even care who the actress is, as long as the age is right. Would have been nice to see something like the old Generation X movie, with Emma running her own school. But...you know...good.
8) Yeah, forgot about the Bent Bullet. Well I could come up with any number of theories on this, but they don't really count for much. Maybe it was Mystique posing as Erik. Maybe it was Erik and Mystique had broken him out of prison (temporarily). Maybe Erik wasn't even there, and it was Charles projecting his psyche from prison so that he wasn't doing it alone, but didn't look like he was talking to himself. Maybe the Bent Bullet is wrong. Isn't that supposed to just be a conspiracy theory website or something?
8) Erik walking around free in 1980 to help recruit Jean...I just assumed that either he broke out again, or Mystique posed as someone to pardon him after she escaped from Trask Industries. Or further evidence had been able to prove his innocence in the JFK case later on. It's not like he'd actually done anything else by that point to warrant remaining in prison if JFK was proven false (that we know of, anyway).
So...just catching up on this now, but I have to say, I agree with most of the changes suggested, with the following justifications (mostly repeated, but I just wanted to voice that I agree with them):
1) The end of XMO:W cannot be 1979, and is almost definitely 1985 for all the reasons mentioned above (3MI incident clearing the place out for Stryker to use, "15 years ago", age of Scott, etc).
2) Don't get too caught up in the "not too distant future" thing from X1. Technically four minutes from now is the not too distant future. The fact that the actual World Summit in 2000 happened two months after the movie's release tells me that "not too distant" means two months away.
3) Storm's hair is actually easily explained without Apocalypse. It's entirely possible that it was going to happen eventually, as part of her mutation (or secondary mutation), and all Apocalypse did was speed it up. It's not like her powers were technically changed or enhanced in any other way, like Angel's, it's more like she just learned very quickly how to control them better, reaching her full potential earlier than in the original timeline. Same with Erik. So it's probable that all Apocalypse did was speed up their mutations.
4) Deadpool...I know a lot of people are happy to just write it off as "breaks the fourth wall", but the fourth wall thing still doesn't explain the age. I've mentioned this theory on another page, but...if we assume that Wade only joined Team X right before the Nigeria mission, which is why he's sort of introducing himself on the plane, then it's easy to assume he was 18 in 1979. He's also not ever actually mentioned as being a mutant, is he? Just shown to be highly skilled, which a lot of people assume is a mutation. Anyway, this would put his birth around 1961. Moving forward, I have a theory that the end of Deadpool is set in 2008, for no other reason than the Hugh Jackman Sexiest Man Alive magazine, which actually came out in 2008, and the fact that there's no actual evidence ever contradicting this (provided we follow suit and ignore cars etc). So he meets Vanessa in 2006, which would make him 45 at the time, which kind of works, given Ryan Reynolds is actually 40, and at that age, 5 years doesn't necessarily make a huge difference. Future DP movies can really now be set whenever, given he's essentially immortal and so scarred up that trying to guess his age would be pointless. This whole theory could be contradicted in future films, sure, but it works for now. The other theory is that it's definitely set in an alternate universe, which explains why the final fight is set on a crashed Helicarrier, and why Tim Millar has said he's trying to work out a deal with Marvel/Sony to get Spider-Man to appear for DP2 or 3. Maybe DP is the first in an eventual rebooted series where Marvel has the rights to everything again. Or maybe that's just a huge pipedream.
5) Caliban. Given that he's never really had any sun exposure to cause any kind of skin damage, it's entirely possible he's in his 70s in Logan, which would explain why he sort of hobbles around, and could just have lost his accent after years in another country, same as Storm. Another theory is that it's a different guy. Another albino mutant tracker who took the name in homage to the original, who was a great hero to persecuted mutants through the 80s and 90s. This explains the conversation where Pierce says, "I read about you when I was a kid", and Caliban replies, "you're thinking of someone else".
6) Psylocke and Angel...yeah, different people. Maybe it's Psylocke in 1983 and Revanche in 2006. Maybe that's still Betsy Braddock having transferred her mind, maybe not. Whatever. I like the theory about Angel in X3 being the younger brother of Angel in X:A. But until it's confirmed, I think we can just safely put them down as different people either way.
7) Emma Frost...wow, that disc screws things up. I have to now agree with the mind-transfer thing. Although, it would be very interesting to see if BluRay editions released AFTER DOFP still say that. One thing to note, though...maybe her death was faked by Trask? Or even by her. What if she's technically Kayla's older sister, but appears younger in Origins because she kept herself in a diamond form for years? She would most likely have stayed that way for as much of Trask's experimentations as possible, where she doesn't need to eat or sleep, and presumably doesn't age (given that her potential future daughter, Ruby, doesn't age when in her Ruby Quartz form - http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby_Summers_(Earth-1191) ). Maybe she just faked being dead, and without being able to cut into her to performa an autopsy, Trask just assumed she was. That would also explain the lack of autopsy photos with the others.
Ok, but in a world where mutations are commonplace, and Cerebro exists, and there's the ability to inject an unbreakable alien metal onto someone's skeleton, I don't know if the model of a car or phone could really be used as a reliable indicator. It's highly possible that those things are just more advanced there. You're assuming this is our world. It's not. It's a world where technology advanced faster (DNA-tracking robots in 1973, anyone?). There's nothing that explicitly states it's set in 2008, but there's nothing that says it's 2016 either. The only movies that are given exact dates are First Class, DOFP, and Apocalypse, plus the 25 Moments website. Everything else is left to assumption.
Yeah, but how do you know for sure that it's set in 2016? Like, what actual evidence is there? By this logic, we might as well say it's not set in the timeline at all.
The two Psylockes could easily be explained by her transferring her mind into a younger body (she doesn't seem like the type that would have any moral issues with that in Apocalypse), or even that the one in X3 isn't actually Psylocke. Is she ever called that in the film? Maybe it's Revanche. Maybe it's just a woman with purple streaks. Especially given that her power seems to be the ability to teleport through shadows, and nothing psychic at all.
The two Angels are different as well, I believe. Angel in Apocalypse is never once called Warren, does not seem to be able to heal, and has talons on his wings. The Angel in X3 is actually never called Angel, only Warren, is able to fully regrow his wings after cutting them off, and has no talons.
Re: Erik in 1986, yeah, he has to have gotten out of prison by this point, so he must be on the run or something. Or maybe Mystique posed as someone to pardon him after she escaped Trask.
I agree that the Origins timeline needs to be moved as follows:
- James and Victor are recruited into Team X in 1975, right at the very end of the Vietnam War. It stands to reason they would have been willing to hang around until the very end.
- James leaves Team X in 1982. We are never told how long he's with them, but it's long enough to become disenchanted with Stryker.
- Stryker finds Logan in 1984, chaos ensues. I can't really see this happening in 1979 for two reasons:
1) Three Mile Island is already abandoned and being used as Stryker's hidden base. Gambit even says, "nobody wants to go poking around an old nuclear reactor in case it turns them into some kind of freak", implying that the leak has already happened (or was faked by Stryker, as someone mentioned earlier). Plus the actual 3MI meltdown didn't involve the tower collapsing, just leaking.
2) Scott's powers are already active by this point (he's wearing the glasses, and when he takes them off, his optic blasts happen). Let's assume that his powers activate around the same time in both timelines, so around 1983. So at the earliest, this scene could be in 1983 - 1984.
Additionally, the only things we know for a fact regarding the timeline of the original trilogy are that it's set roughly 15 years after Origins, and that the X-Men rebuild the Golden Gate Bridge in 2006. That doesn't mean that's when the bridge was destroyed, just rebuilt. It may have sat destroyed for years while debates raged about mutants until finally an agreement was reached.
So let's assume that the "15 years" comments are only rounded estimates. Maybe it's more like 17 years. So the first two films would be set in 2000-2001 (assuming roughly a full year passes between Logan joining the team and Jean dying). The events of X-Men: The Official Game that haven't yet been contradicted (so basically just Nightcrawler and Iceman's parts) would be 2002, X3 would be 2003, then there's three years before the GGB is finally rebulit. Which means that Charles and Erik's visit to Jean happens in 1983, which would make her age much more correct. Warren's flashback can be explained by saying they're different characters. X3 Warren is never ever called Angel, and Apocalypse Archangel is never ever called Warren. Plus, different wings (talons on Archangel's feathered wings), plus Warren seems to be able to heal (regrew his whole wings from scratch), while Archangel couldn't even recover from the electricity burn.
And then there's Deadpool. I'm adamant that this film is not set in 2016, but 2008. The fact that he actually has the People Magazine issue of Hugh Jackman's Sexiest Man Alive is a clue, because that was in 2008. The clothes and general lack of hipsters everywhere furthers that. So it's possible Wade was 18 in Origins in 1982, and had only just joined the team (and is not actually a mutant, because I don't think he's ever called one in the film anyway, is he?), then he's 20 in 1984, so he's 42 when he meets Vanessa, and 44 by the end of the film. Which seems much more likely than him being around 70. Either that, or the Wade in Deadpool is the son of the Wade from Origins, who went into the family Merc business. Also not impossible.